tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post2000714782160964718..comments2024-03-24T05:54:23.612-05:00Comments on Weedon's Blog: A Primer on Mystical UnionWilliam Weedonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-91798015737954488492009-02-11T17:06:00.000-06:002009-02-11T17:06:00.000-06:00The Finns see a real conflict between the stand ta...The Finns see a real conflict between the stand taken in the Formula and that of Luther in Great Galatians. But the "conflict" can hardly exist since the Formula itself refers all further questions on the matter of righteousness To Great Galatians. Also, frequently missed in Missouri circles, is the Formula stating that it is not Christ in His divine nature alone; nor Christ in His human nature alone; but the whole Christ *in both natures AND in His most holy obedience* that is our sole righteousness. In other words, rather than let things slip into parts and fractions, they hold the whole together (the united person in two natures and in all His works).William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-57315724762458560122009-02-11T16:52:00.000-06:002009-02-11T16:52:00.000-06:00Hello Pastor Weedon,Would you have time to ellabor...Hello Pastor Weedon,<BR/><BR/>Would you have time to ellaborate on your following comment:<BR/><BR/>"Yes, I appreciate much of the Finn's work (though disagree with their assessment of the Formula - as I'm sure you might imagine!)"<BR/><BR/>I'm curious what your disagreement with the Finns is regarding the FoC.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your blogging ministry and efforts.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02091285114358709692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-16057884705294758092009-02-10T10:45:00.000-06:002009-02-10T10:45:00.000-06:00Sorry if I'm late on this discussion, but I wanted...Sorry if I'm late on this discussion, but I wanted to present a few Lutheran hymn references that bring this out, one by Paul Gerhardt and one by Thomas Kingo:<BR/><BR/>This only, Lord, I humbly pray,<BR/>O grant it, dearest Savior,<BR/>That Thou wouldst dwell in me this day<BR/>And here abide forever.<BR/>So let me be Thy cradle blest,<BR/>Come! Come, within my heart to rest,<BR/>My precious Joy and Treasure!<BR/>(ELH 129, "Ich Steh An Deiner Krippen/I Stand Beside Thy Manger Here," v. 5)<BR/><BR/>Break forth, my soul, for joy and say:<BR/>What wealth is come to me this day!<BR/>My Savior dwells within me now:<BR/>How blest am I! How good art Thou!<BR/>(ELH 325 "O Jesu, Sode Jesu, Dig/O Jesus, Blessed Lord, to Thee" v. 2 -- Here you must go to the Norwegian-heritage hymnary to get the translation that is more faithful to the Danish than that of TLH, and see the difference! -- "In me now" vs. "In my heart")<BR/><BR/>And there is also Nicolai's "How Lovely Shines the Morning Star" v. 3-4.<BR/><BR/>Pastor Jerry GernanderAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-76438568711742107122009-02-09T12:09:00.000-06:002009-02-09T12:09:00.000-06:00Yes. AE refers to the American edition of Luther'...Yes. AE refers to the American edition of Luther's Works.<BR/><BR/>Brianbajayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06833870619674006983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-56658906793001886052009-02-09T12:07:00.000-06:002009-02-09T12:07:00.000-06:00Question: I am really interested in reading on thi...Question: I am really interested in reading on this subject from Luther's perspective. Is "This is My Body, AE 37:101," referring to volume 37 of Luther's works?Dcn. Carlos Mirandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12811060466905864911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-62268859956691572972009-02-09T03:15:00.000-06:002009-02-09T03:15:00.000-06:00bajaye said:"The point is that if God wills it, en...bajaye said:<BR/>"The point is that if God wills it, enables it and desires it, how can it possibly compromise God (simplicity or not)?"<BR/><BR/>Rosko responds:<BR/>Father bless!<BR/><BR/>I just wanted to add a resounding 'AMIN' to your phrase there.<BR/><BR/>Father Weedon,<BR/>The Finns have done great work on this topic, and your paper that used to be on St Paul-Hamel's website is pretty good too1Roskohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02372643892803754301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-35516682127452392952009-02-08T22:00:00.000-06:002009-02-08T22:00:00.000-06:00Amen, Fr. Brian.Mark, ist ist immer ist is pure go...Amen, Fr. Brian.<BR/><BR/>Mark, ist ist immer ist is pure gold.<BR/><BR/>Dennis, the phrase "may be filled with all heavenly benediction" is actually borrowed from the old Roman canon, but the "may be made one body with him" is a beautiful Anglican amplification. The old Service Book and Hymnal of the former LCA/ALC had "that we and all who partake thereof may be filled with heavenly benediction and grace, and, receiving the remission of sins, be sanctified in soul and body, and have our portion with all thy saints."William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-44194611189652987062009-02-08T21:20:00.000-06:002009-02-08T21:20:00.000-06:00This is picked up on in the Book of Common Prayer ...This is picked up on in the Book of Common Prayer liturgy after the words of institution is said, "that we, and all others who shall be partakers of this Holy Communion, may worthily receive the most precious Body and Blood of Thy Son Jesus Christ, be filled with Thy grace and heavenly benediction, and made one body with him , that he may dwell in us and we in him."<BR/><BR/>I always found this very reassuring to hear each week during the Liturgy.Dennis Pfleigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02629237509598870872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-69878617611222947552009-02-08T21:04:00.000-06:002009-02-08T21:04:00.000-06:00I remember Dr. Nagel using the quote from Luther a...I remember Dr. Nagel using the quote from Luther about the wolf and the sheep a "few" times at Seminary...<BR/>He would also say that, in the partaking of the Holy Eucharist, Jesus Christ "bodies and bloods" us as we chew on His flesh and as His blood is poured down our throats.<BR/>I also remember another quote from Luther:<BR/>"Ist" ist "ist" und immer ist "ist".<BR/><BR/>Former VicarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-9856862846508487312009-02-08T20:48:00.000-06:002009-02-08T20:48:00.000-06:00I think, Andrew, that you could ask the same quest...I think, Andrew, that you could ask the same question concerning the Incarnation. Isn't that the greatest absurdity to divine simplicity?<BR/><BR/>The point is that if God wills it, enables it and desires it, how can it possibly compromise God (simplicity or not)?<BR/><BR/>As Lutherans are fond of saying, "let God be God."<BR/><BR/>Brianbajayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06833870619674006983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-7975284134209655202009-02-08T19:43:00.000-06:002009-02-08T19:43:00.000-06:00Pr Weedon,A couple of questions:What constitutes t...Pr Weedon,<BR/><BR/>A couple of questions:<BR/><BR/>What constitutes the real -- as opposed to nominal -- relation between Christ and the believer?<BR/><BR/>What does it mean to be a 'partaker of the divine nature' without compromising absolute divine simplicity?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-70299903396948945062009-02-08T18:35:00.000-06:002009-02-08T18:35:00.000-06:00Yes, I appreciate much of the Finn's work (though ...Yes, I appreciate much of the Finn's work (though disagree with their assessment of the Formula - as I'm sure you might imagine!). Dr. Stephenson up at St. Cat's noted how explicit this was in the Christmas Hymn: "Let All Together Praise Our God."<BR/><BR/>Er wechselt mit uns wunderlich<BR/>Nimmt an unser Fleisch und Blut<BR/>Und gibt uns in dein Vaters Reich<BR/>*Die klare Gottheit dran!*<BR/><BR/>Sadly, the English doesn't quite get there.William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-27253457918588286992009-02-08T18:22:00.000-06:002009-02-08T18:22:00.000-06:00The similarities between the views expressed in th...The similarities between the views expressed in the quotes you posted and the Orthodox understanding of Theosis are quite remarkable. As I’m sure you’re aware some good work was done on this, in the last decade or so, by several Finnish Lutheran theologians. An unrealized Lutheran treasure.<BR/><BR/>Brianbajayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06833870619674006983noreply@blogger.com