tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post3257797556312725704..comments2024-03-24T05:54:23.612-05:00Comments on Weedon's Blog: Talking to a friend today...William Weedonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-15064970114422401472011-07-28T09:34:27.350-05:002011-07-28T09:34:27.350-05:00Ditto on the great post comments.... I've lin...Ditto on the great post comments.... I've linked it to my blog.J.G.F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06591679766794536970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-67319391099101487222011-07-24T18:03:59.549-05:002011-07-24T18:03:59.549-05:00Scotty, allow me to add this to Pastor Weedon'...Scotty, allow me to add this to Pastor Weedon's fine example:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP5CTnuY5m4&feature=player_embeddedDavid Garnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10885067733992577305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-51501957865459327272011-07-22T16:11:34.164-05:002011-07-22T16:11:34.164-05:00I've found that Catholics and Orthodox have mo...<i>I've found that Catholics and Orthodox have more in common with us than anyone else. They only ask why not move down the line to them. They are comfortable with most points except they think we can become better Christians by doing good.</i><br /><br />Sage, for the sake of clarity not only do Catholics and Orthodox differ with Lutherans on the very important matters of salvation through faith alone, through grace alone, through Christ alone but they differ with each other on some very important points as well.<br /><br />Just ask an Orthodox Christian what he/she thinks about the papacy, the Immaculate Conception, purgatory and other Catholic doctrines. Nor are all Orthodox on board with Roman Catholic holy orders.<br /><br />Gott hilf mir, it pains me to see how easily Lutherans fall for this. The fact that we all believe in Baptismal regeneration and the Real Presence are indeed common points but even there Lutherans do not subscribe to transubstantiation nor would the Orthodox describe the mystery of the Body and Blood of Christ that way.<br /><br />Please keep one very important factor in mind. When the Catholic church speaks of "ecumenism" it is always with the view to the "separated brethren" coming home. It is quite a misnomer to call it "dialogue."<br /><br />From one who's been there and done that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-16089462322630136732011-07-22T15:11:53.387-05:002011-07-22T15:11:53.387-05:00Scotty, this for instance...
http://www.youtube.c...Scotty, this for instance...<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51MhplShvEMWilliam Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-69181796980330586762011-07-22T14:39:12.006-05:002011-07-22T14:39:12.006-05:00Sage,
I cannot speak for Catholics, but I can say...Sage,<br /><br />I cannot speak for Catholics, but I can say with a fair degree of confidence that Orthodox do not believe "we can become better Christians by doing good." We do believe that "doing good" is ultimately good for us, not God, and so like eating our vegetables and drinking lots of water and exercising, we do so because God has told us we should do so for our own spiritual health. I suppose if we define "better spiritual health" as "better Christian," perhaps that's one way to look at it. What I would say is there is not a measuring stick, where God judges us against our neighbor or even against His Son to see if we measure up. And we certainly do not do such measuring ourselves. As an example, it is a common thing in Orthodoxy to find that Saints, on their deathbeds, were oblivious to the fact they were Saints. They say such things as "I have not even begun to repent," etc. Which is to say, Saints in history tend to see their own sin far clearer than we seem to see ours. This indicates that humility rather than being "better" is the idea at work.<br /><br />In any event, I absolutely agree with Pastor Weedon's post here. The world will never accept the Church. Not really. It will accept some facsimile of her, but so long as the Church holds fast to the Sacramental life and the Scriptures and the Church's historic teachings, she will be rejected by those who just cannot bear her existence. Which, sadly, is most people.David Garnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10885067733992577305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-48110746841965754872011-07-22T09:50:49.235-05:002011-07-22T09:50:49.235-05:00Amen. Right on target.Amen. Right on target.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-10512894285171675642011-07-22T07:21:47.785-05:002011-07-22T07:21:47.785-05:00I wondered why it seemed so clear to me and so mud...I wondered why it seemed so clear to me and so muddled to the people I spoke with about becoming a Lutheran. My husband said last night he could agree with everything except the Eucharist being the real thing. <br /><br />I've found that Catholics and Orthodox have more in common with us than anyone else. They only ask why not move down the line to them. They are comfortable with most points except they think we can become better Christians by doing good.<br /><br />What was comforting was that the things my husband noted were the changes he saw in me, nothing I said or did. He wanted to know how I managed to have such peace in my life. That, in the end, will be the "draw" if you will to those outside the church. We don't work to produce our fruits, we allow Christ to work through us; while the majority of Christians burn themselves up and out seeking to obey the law and be good Christians. Peace is a wonderful gift.<br /><br />But, I agree with the post in that it's a hard pill to swallow for a ocuntry that prides itself on self-sufficiency.Sagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09337019503451500138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-13224167243095664762011-07-22T05:54:49.057-05:002011-07-22T05:54:49.057-05:00Great post... question for anyone reading it...ple...Great post... question for anyone reading it...please provide me some examples of those people or peoples whose hearts are set on capturing America for the Church...ThanksScottyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14353505237223187750noreply@blogger.com