tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post488558286211710304..comments2024-03-17T19:56:31.931-05:00Comments on Weedon's Blog: Chief ServiceWilliam Weedonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-67131267264976709182013-04-03T13:30:19.029-05:002013-04-03T13:30:19.029-05:00Mr. Ball,
I was not yet made aware of the passing...Mr. Ball,<br /><br />I was not yet made aware of the passing of Fr. Weedon's mother-in-law when I posted those comments. Forgive me for the lack of foresight.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06200319733737651773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-89199792819332928952013-03-30T11:25:43.386-05:002013-03-30T11:25:43.386-05:00Chris- Fr. Weedon is a man and can handle himself,...Chris- Fr. Weedon is a man and can handle himself, but havent you noticed that his dear mother in law has died and has yet to be put to rest? Do you think you could give picking theological fights a break? You are simlpy being rude, should examine yourself and turn from such boorish behavior.The Rev. BT Ballhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14699707490165113926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-15426000399901444492013-03-30T10:16:59.209-05:002013-03-30T10:16:59.209-05:00Chris,
I'm not going to argue with you on thi...Chris,<br /><br />I'm not going to argue with you on this or anything else. I've explained why Lutherans regard the practice as an abuse. You should understand by now that Lutherans are not normed by Orthodox standards, but by their own standards and that when you criticize us for not being, well, you, we roll our eyes and yawn. Again, let Lutherans be Lutheran!William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-86829033304950409902013-03-30T08:51:54.872-05:002013-03-30T08:51:54.872-05:00Fr. Weedon,
you are impugning the Orthodox practi...Fr. Weedon,<br /><br />you are impugning the Orthodox practice and if the verba do not lose efficacy then there is NO error in any delay of the consumption of the gifts from when they were consecrated. You keep saying we are in error but you fail to say how except by appeal to your own less-than-500-year-old tradition. I wonder why Lutherans would keep any of the Sacrament in reserve in the first place if there was going to be a reconsecration later.--ChrisUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08038508116670615703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-4527032211981527982013-03-30T05:50:35.118-05:002013-03-30T05:50:35.118-05:00P.S. My own position is that there is no "exp...P.S. My own position is that there is no "expiration date" on the promise of the Verba; however, pulling apart what the Lord gave us together is clearly a human custom without divine warrant.William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-35259307344628215852013-03-30T05:49:05.157-05:002013-03-30T05:49:05.157-05:00Christopher,
In the minds of some, it is not a ma...Christopher,<br /><br />In the minds of some, it is not a matter of the Words losing their efficacy, but of their efficacy being attached to the entire action they indicate: take, bless, eat and drink. When the eating and drinking are somehow separated from the taking and blessing, then uncertainty is inserted; and the Gospel is the antithesis of uncertainty. So we "keep together" what our Lord gave us together. The taking, blessing, and receiving. Hope that helps. William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-40162076006638491842013-03-29T22:30:15.578-05:002013-03-29T22:30:15.578-05:00Fr. Weedon,
OK, so it's not part of your trad...Fr. Weedon,<br /><br />OK, so it's not part of your tradition, but you still haven't addressed my questions. Do the verba lose efficacy? How does your quote of Cyprian prove that the Eastern Churches and the ROman Catholics on Holy Friday are in error by reserving the sacrament for consumption (not for adoration) at a later time by those unable to come to Liturgy or because of our Lenten practice to not celebrate the full Liturgy during the weekdays of Lent. What is the error that you use Cyprian to condemn?--Chris<br /><br />Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08038508116670615703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-37670357025556126832013-03-29T20:51:40.637-05:002013-03-29T20:51:40.637-05:00There are Lutherans who will offer from the reserv...There are Lutherans who will offer from the reserved sacrament, but always with speaking of the Words of Institution (usually along these lines: "When our congregation gathered to celebrate the Supper we heard how our Lord Jesus Christ, on the night..." - that's the ELCA's typical form, I believe). But the overwhelming practice of Lutherans historically and still today is to consecrate in the presence of those who are receiving. The idea of reservation is not one readily embraced in our Church, despite its antiquity. We do not forget how Cyprian said: "Custom without truth is merely the antiquity of error."William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-20056199976537120752013-03-29T20:04:45.602-05:002013-03-29T20:04:45.602-05:00Fr. Weedon,
I was listening to you on "issue...Fr. Weedon,<br /><br />I was listening to you on "issues, etc." the other day and I was amazed to find that Lutherans do not have a pre-sanctified Liturgy on Great Friday like the Roman Catholics. WHy? You said that Lutherans cannot distribute the communion unless the verba are spoken. Well, if the verba are spoken and some of the Eucharist is placed in reserve, why would there be a need to speak them again? Do the words lose their efficacy over time? I'm very puzzled by this especially since the tradition of the Pre-Sanctified has a pedigree in the East beginning with Pope St. Gregory I the Great. <br /><br />And just to make sure I understand fully, so when you bring the Eucharist to a shut-in from the Eucharist that was previously consecrated on a Sunday, must you recite the verba again? <br /><br />That seems unnecessary and assumes that the verba are not all powerful?<br /><br />Thanks.--ChrisUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08038508116670615703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-32087886035510366452013-03-29T18:03:09.594-05:002013-03-29T18:03:09.594-05:00Peace be with you and your family. Prayers ascend...Peace be with you and your family. Prayers ascend for blessed St. Jo, who basks in eternal Eastertide!Mike Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06508323155548373700noreply@blogger.com