tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post5339224508223843293..comments2024-03-24T05:54:23.612-05:00Comments on Weedon's Blog: Dr. Herl just sharedWilliam Weedonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-5382631337559305942011-11-04T09:22:36.784-05:002011-11-04T09:22:36.784-05:00"...in tact...", or "intact"?
..."...in tact...", or "intact"?<br /><br />:-)Fr. Gregory Hogghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01829108455227450650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-16958046039020750842011-11-03T23:59:43.068-05:002011-11-03T23:59:43.068-05:00New dads. Judas diaper changing priest, when I wa...New dads. Judas diaper changing priest, when I was one, I read the Book of Concord between my first son's feedings (my shift was until 0200, then mom took over).<br /><br />Good thing I converted then. My wife was terminally ill when our second son was born, and died about three months later, so I got to do the whole thing solo then!<br /><br />Scripture does not speak to this matter directly, because it is not important and is not nor should it be theologised into a basis for faith.<br /><br />So do it or don't do it, doesn't matter. But if you do do it, for Judas H Priest OSB's sake do it on 8 September (hell, call it the Nativity of the Theotokos if you want, if the BVM thing seems "too Catholic" and you aren't quite to the "too Orthodox" thing yet) because it was put there precisely to be nine months after the Feast of the Immaculate Conception on 8 December.<br /><br />Wanna do a few rounds on the IC? Because it's part and parcel of the Nativity of the BVM.Terry Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122266461403246084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-61080497953640796302011-11-03T19:39:53.379-05:002011-11-03T19:39:53.379-05:00Because that pain and suffering wasn't his. I...Because that pain and suffering wasn't his. It would have been his mother's. <br /><br />I agree that it is a bit of speculation, but Luther arrives at it based on his reading of Genesis 3. The curse comes upon the WOMAN because of sin; but this child is holy and in Him is no sin - therefore the curse cannot fall on this woman because of him. See his comments in Personal Prayer Book referenced above.William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-37786253527110040912011-11-03T19:34:18.666-05:002011-11-03T19:34:18.666-05:00See, I don't like that - what He did not assum...See, I don't like that - what He did not assume He did not redeem. What other part of the incarnation doesn't come with pain and blood? If He doesn't despise the hunger, the beating, the shedding of blood (even on the 8th day) why would He disdain the His pain in childbirth? Besides, does the mother's pain and suffering in child birth stem from the sin of the child who has been conceived, or does it stem from the fact that the mother is sinful and she herself is bound to the curse given to Eve? I see his line of thinking - I just don't buy it. Ah well.<br /><br />But both sides on this are speculation, as the Scriptures do not speak to this directly.Rev. Eric J Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17747919365522145094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-52390763327379372982011-11-03T17:30:19.129-05:002011-11-03T17:30:19.129-05:00I well remember the days, Eric! Truthfully, a fre...I well remember the days, Eric! Truthfully, a fretting child in the middle of the night - time to sing hymns as we rock - well, it's a wonderful thing. It's just hard to believe it when you're living it!!!<br /><br />On Luther, yes, he believed that because Christ was exempt from the Law, though voluntarily placing himself under it, his birth was exempt from the pain that came due to sin - for, of course, there was no sin in his conception or birth. I know it's mind bending thinking these days, but Luther's thoughts are worth - at the very least - considering and thinking through.William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-30000126763795196422011-11-03T17:26:34.340-05:002011-11-03T17:26:34.340-05:00=o)
So Jesus came under the law for those who wer...=o)<br /><br />So Jesus came under the law for those who were under the law... but Mary apparently wasn't under the law because of Christ...<br /><br />I'm not doubting that folks believed this or worshipped this way... just a place I take exception. Of course, there are other things people take exception against Luther with that I wouldn't. It evens out.<br /><br />=o) <br /><br />(I'm sleep deprived, for my child was not born in a miraculous way, and crying he certainly makes - so I can be in an "interesting" mood - if you don't want my snark, simply let it be)Rev. Eric J Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17747919365522145094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-25090337417640052842011-11-03T16:28:22.937-05:002011-11-03T16:28:22.937-05:00A tad more Luther. This from 1541:
"Now alt...A tad more Luther. This from 1541:<br /><br />"Now although Mary was not required to do this - the Law of Moses having no claim over her, for she had given birth without pain and her virginity remained unsullied - nevertheless, she kept quiet, and submitted herself to the common law of all women and let herself be accounted unclean. She was, without doubt, a pure, chaste virgin before the birth, in the birth, and after the birth, and she was neither sick nor weakened from the birth, and certainly could have gone out of the house after giving birth, not only because of her exemption under the Law, but also because of the uninterrupted soundness of her body. For her son did not detract from her virginity, but actually strengthened it..." House Postils III:255William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-44178032645456696552011-11-03T16:06:01.698-05:002011-11-03T16:06:01.698-05:00Facts are facts: so Lutherans used to worship and...Facts are facts: so Lutherans used to worship and to believe. It's good to remember that in these gray and latter days.William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-26511520433856698052011-11-03T15:42:38.484-05:002011-11-03T15:42:38.484-05:00It's not post-partum I'm dubious about - i...It's not post-partum I'm dubious about - it's post presentation that I'm not sold on. =o)Rev. Eric J Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17747919365522145094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-149897075695036052011-11-03T14:21:54.487-05:002011-11-03T14:21:54.487-05:00Luther certainly taught that he was born through t...Luther certainly taught that he was born through the birth canal as all children are, but that he miraculously left His mother's virginity in tact, passing through that as He would later pass through the door of the upper room where the disciples were gathered; or into the bread and wine of the Eucharist. See SD VII:100. He also speaks of this in his Personal Prayer Book (AE 43:40). This is, I believe, the major point of SD VIII:24 in that our Lord shows His divinity even in His mother's womb by the manner of His birth.William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-27116302366030055602011-11-03T14:15:48.557-05:002011-11-03T14:15:48.557-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16501327753737422337noreply@blogger.com