tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post7102756517878641845..comments2024-03-24T05:54:23.612-05:00Comments on Weedon's Blog: Rogate this weekWilliam Weedonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-50795774178760234562011-05-29T14:31:07.968-05:002011-05-29T14:31:07.968-05:00So, doing any weddings between now and Trinity?So, doing any weddings between now and Trinity?Terry Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122266461403246084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-24809829094660925642011-05-29T14:12:52.526-05:002011-05-29T14:12:52.526-05:00Acts 20 is my proof text for when folks get too hu...Acts 20 is my proof text for when folks get too hung up on it!William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-1210110687152758562011-05-29T13:51:00.263-05:002011-05-29T13:51:00.263-05:00Indeed even the ante-nicene Church was far less th...Indeed even the ante-nicene Church was far less than uniform on this point, as we see, eg., in Saint Paul's practice in Acts 20.Dcn Latif Haki Gaba SSPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13032212390625343868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-34391991567387985412011-05-29T13:35:33.294-05:002011-05-29T13:35:33.294-05:00Right on, and like the Levites who stood to praise...Right on, and like the Levites who stood to praise the Lord and the Levites who knelt, even during Easter our own parish practice is not entirely uniform - and no one gives a hoot. Most stand, some still kneel, and no one feels pressured one way or the other, for the focus of the Eucharist finally isn't on our piety, but upon the awesome and life-imparting gifts bestowed on us there.William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-69102655671275398112011-05-29T13:32:48.572-05:002011-05-29T13:32:48.572-05:00I have no criticism of your parish, to be sure. K...I have no criticism of your parish, to be sure. Kneeling or standing is a matter of freedom. <br /><br />My own sense of the importance of the Nicene canon to which you refer, however, is that it didn't establish the practice, but rather acknowledged it as widespread and worthy of the Church making it uniform as much as possible. Its analogy today would be if the LCMS were to say, in synod convention, that all LCMS altars should have this practice for the sake of churchly uniformity, since many parishes have the practice already. (Such an argument, however, would stand only if it were the case that our churches are also kneeling the rest of the year, and that when they stand for the eucharist they do so for symbolic reasons associated with the resurrection, and that our churches care about liturgical uniformity.)<br /><br />The Nicene pronouncement, of its own right, would hold for us today if the practice would have remained prevalant in the intervening sixteen hundred year liturgical tradition of the our Church.<br /><br />These are among the reasons I myself am comfortable kneeling for the eucharist wherever and whenever I receive It.Dcn Latif Haki Gaba SSPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13032212390625343868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-27430733668784048842011-05-29T11:40:14.401-05:002011-05-29T11:40:14.401-05:00Yup - we stand during the Great 50 days to receive...Yup - we stand during the Great 50 days to receive the Eucharist. It's 50 days of actually HEEDING the Nicene Canon... :)William Weedonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01383850332591975790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-40436708559290353952011-05-29T07:44:33.299-05:002011-05-29T07:44:33.299-05:00No kneeling during Paschaltide?No kneeling during Paschaltide?Dcn Latif Haki Gaba SSPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13032212390625343868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7291232.post-17066384753435139772011-05-29T00:13:48.437-05:002011-05-29T00:13:48.437-05:00What? No Vigil of Pentecost? Why it's a mini...What? No Vigil of Pentecost? Why it's a mini Easter Vigil all over again! Not to mention, Paschaltide traditionally extends to the Saturday after Pentecost, including the Ember days after Pentecost, ending with Trinity Sunday!<br /><br />And we gotta remember to distinguish the the Major Rogations from the Minor Rogations. Not to mention you gotta "beat the bounds" to make sure nobody messed with your boundaries.<br /><br />Think I'm about to bash Vatican II? Hell no, everything started to unravel when Pius XII abolished the Octave of the Ascension, and now, even Rome leaves all this stuff to the local bishops' conferences, so we're right in lock step like we seem to want to be these days.<br /><br />Actually, hard core liturgical purists will militate for the resumption of Robigalia, the original Major Rogation from whence all rogationinity cometh, established by Numa Pompilius himself, second king of Rome right after Romulus, who was the first having killed his brother and co-founder of Rome Remus, who is still ticked about it and has to be appeased once a year, the ancestor of our Halloween.<br /><br />Not only did Remus thereby miss being the first king of Rome to Romulus, he lost naming rights to the city too, hence we have the city Roma rather than Rema.<br /><br />But this is Robigalia and you gotta rogate Robigus because he can cause a bad year for crops. However, Robigalia like most of these things involved dog sacrifice, solidly opposed by a certain Christina in early Rome, reputed to be an ancestor of die Christine though I have not been able to trace the connexion on ancestry.com.<br /><br />Too late for this year though. Robigalia is 25 April, not coincidentally the date of the Major Rogation of Rogation and also the feast of St Mark. Tertullian may have bashed Robigus as a false god, but Robigalia got morphed into a Christian observance by "pope" Gregory the "great", so this calendar screwing around has been going on for a long, long time.<br /><br />The minor Rogations around Ascension are derivative observances and originate with "bishop" Mamertus of Vienne (Gaul, not Vienna, which God calls Wien) in the 470s, and are called minor to distinguish them from 25 April.<br /><br />I'd give more detail but Godfrey isn't around to ask. He was there though and remembered everything. Numa too. Or so you'd think if you're there with a guy at a Rembrandt exhibition at the Minneapolis Institute of Art but pass by an Etruscan collection and he gives you a crash course on Etruscan history right on the spot.Terry Maherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17122266461403246084noreply@blogger.com