I love it how Lutherans consistently invoke Ephesians 2: 8-9 and then pretend verse 10 isn't there.
It's not a coincidence that the add praises the Church Fathers and yet the only one it chooses to acknowledge is St. Augustine. What's wrong with Basil the Great?
And what was with the closing music? That was just wrong.
Now Christopher, much as I agree about the closing music, I disagree about Ephesians. To quote a verse and not include the next verse is not at all to deny the truth in the next verse. What Lutherans denies that we ARE created for good works, which God prepared beforehand for us to walk in them? But then why stop with that verse, what about the next, and the next? St. Augustine is quoted indeed, but he IS the foremost father of the Christian West and that is our heritage as Western Catholic Christians; again, it does not diminish the other fathers.
Mostly music to the ears of a convert. I , however, also believe the closing music was quite anti-climactic. I also think they could have used some more Lutheran artwork that appears in some of the more historic and tastefully decorated churches. Overall, a decent piece
I assume he did. I left him a note that we'd vote for different music at the end. I'd love to hear the Starke Te Deum. Have you heard that puppy yet? It's in LSB #941 and the Kantorei from Fort Wayne have a GREAT recording of it.
I didn't care for the hippy music at the end either - like that Tim Patty fella they had on at halftime. You'd think the boy could afford a razor.
And the free-standing altar almost made me hit the three-fingered salute and shut down the computer - but all in all, a helluva good commercial. It won't make the Super Bowl, but then again, neither did the Miami Dolphins. Of course, I've got a pretty good beer buzz going, I may hate it tomorrow.
But what chaps my hide are all these Eastern Orthodox stalkers lurking around Lutheran websites like icon-toting tapeworms. Cripes, don't you people have prayers to say or something? At least go drink a few ouzos or vodkas. At least if you're drunk, your superiority complex will be a little more bearable. Weedon, you need to "man up" and start tossing these hangers-on off the Witty Trail back into the Adriatic where they belong.
Next thing you know, I'm going to have to start smacking around guys with beards and black skirts on the bikes coming to my door with magazines.
Look, if you want to convert, just say so. If you want to come into full fellowship with Mother Church, I'm sure Billy Weedon will be happy to teach you.
You people spend more time around Lutherans than Lutherans do. I'm convinced that every Eastern Orthodoxian has a secret icon of Luther and a copy of the Augustana behind the icon of the Theotokos.
You pastors with freestanding altars better watch out. There might be a bunch of Orthodox castaways hiding behind there.
I'm sorry the General actually made me laugh out loud. I have to give him credit, he's got the Lutheran comedy down. I may just have to add him to my list....
No, I don't think I have heard the hymn you are talking about yet, P.W., I will click on a link if you have one somewhere?
I swam the Bosphorus,the outlet to the Black Sea. I have nothing to do with the Adriatic.
And I'm complimented by your insinuation that Orthodox do nothing but pray. Unfortunately, I've been lacking in that lately. I'll take that under advisement as I complete my little response to your slander.
The General is notoriously irascible - part of his online persona. Don't worry - he gores everyone's ox, and never spares us Lutherans either. It's General Patten redivivus, I'm afraid, in Lutheran garb. Once you catch onto his form of humor, he's really a stitch.
General Patten? Did he serve with Admiral Challice? Good grief, Weedon--what sort of Virginian are you? :-)
It's Patton. His grandfather, Col. G.S. Patton, died at the 3rd battle of Winchester, VA.
Proud to be the son of a Patton soldier,
Fr. Gregory Hogg
PS: The Adriatic is a beautiful sea. My wife and I took a ferry from Bari, Italy to Patras, Greece some years ago. The sunrise makes one appreciate the aptness of Homer's description: "Rosy-fingered dawn."
Beautifully done. I wish synod could make stuff half as classy.
I don't mind the music at the end. It's ok. I wouldn't be upset it it was changed to a "rousing chorale," though either.
The ONLY issue I see with the video is the fact that ALMOST NO ONE in the general public (and esp. those in mainline evangelical protestantism) understands the difference between Catholic (ie Roman) and catholic (ie universal)
That MUST be explained better in the video if it's to adequately reach those seeking a more sacremental, liturgical, gospel-rich faith.
I'd also love to see this in a shorter TV-length version of about 1 minute.
Actually, I thought they were showcasing that praise band shown earlier in the video! ;-) Yep, it is just a bit incongruous to ask the viewer if he/she is looking for something better than that (praise bands and Power Point), and then close the video with just that kind of music. If they can reproduce the video with a more appropriate piece, they just may have something going for them.
I posted a link to this video on my blog, and now it's been pulled. This is very frustrating. This happens a lot on YouTube. I hope the author is improving it and will re-post it. I hope he is not monkeying with it to make less "Catholic".
I disagree with making a distinction between "Catholic" and "catholic." We seem to have an inferiority complex on this. If we capitalize things like Holy Baptism and Holy Church - we should capitalize Catholic as well. It's bad enough that we have virtually surrendered the word all together thanks to our stubborn adherence to German (which translated the word badly as "Christliche" in the 15th century). I think we should be unapologetic in refusing to surrender our Catholicism to Rome or anyone else.
Note that the Triglot translation of the Confessions (CPH 1921) shamelessly uses the word "Catholic" without the artificial lower case "c".
The original Greek of the creeds had no lower vs. upper case distinction. Furthermore, the Roman Church now also spells "catholic" with the small "c" in its official English translation of the creeds.
I do too!
ReplyDeleteThe real question is how to get such a commercial exposure beyond the internet and Lutheran circles.
Same goes for your catechetical services.
I swear, I am going to hit the lotto and I am going to put an anti-Joel Osteen on the air and if I have my way, it'll be you.
Or maybe it is just time for the Lutheran Blogosphere to ante up and put its money where its keyboard is.
Jon Townsend
I do too!
ReplyDeleteWhen are you guys going to become Orthodox? :-)
-Landon
Landon,
ReplyDeleteWhat is this BECOME business? ;)
I found it intruiging right up until the closing music.
ReplyDelete-c,
ReplyDeleteThat's not what I would have chosen either, I must confess. A rousing Lutheran chorale at that point would have clinched it.
I love it how Lutherans consistently invoke Ephesians 2: 8-9 and then pretend verse 10 isn't there.
ReplyDeleteIt's not a coincidence that the add praises the Church Fathers and yet the only one it chooses to acknowledge is St. Augustine. What's wrong with Basil the Great?
And what was with the closing music? That was just wrong.
Now Christopher, much as I agree about the closing music, I disagree about Ephesians. To quote a verse and not include the next verse is not at all to deny the truth in the next verse. What Lutherans denies that we ARE created for good works, which God prepared beforehand for us to walk in them? But then why stop with that verse, what about the next, and the next? St. Augustine is quoted indeed, but he IS the foremost father of the Christian West and that is our heritage as Western Catholic Christians; again, it does not diminish the other fathers.
ReplyDeleteHmmmm,
ReplyDeleteMostly music to the ears of a convert. I , however, also believe the closing music was quite anti-climactic.
I also think they could have used some more Lutheran artwork that appears in some of the more historic and tastefully decorated churches.
Overall, a decent piece
Pax Christi,
Omar
A rousing Lutheran chorale would have indeed been more appropriate. And there are so many wonderful ones from which to choose!
ReplyDeleteNonetheless, this former Lutheran was glad to see it.
I put this on my blog, too. The end music isn't bad, but it's not good.
ReplyDeleteThe lettering needs to be a different color at times, too, because it's washed out a bit.
Did Eric make this?
Lucciola,
ReplyDeleteI assume he did. I left him a note that we'd vote for different music at the end. I'd love to hear the Starke Te Deum. Have you heard that puppy yet? It's in LSB #941 and the Kantorei from Fort Wayne have a GREAT recording of it.
I didn't care for the hippy music at the end either - like that Tim Patty fella they had on at halftime. You'd think the boy could afford a razor.
ReplyDeleteAnd the free-standing altar almost made me hit the three-fingered salute and shut down the computer - but all in all, a helluva good commercial. It won't make the Super Bowl, but then again, neither did the Miami Dolphins. Of course, I've got a pretty good beer buzz going, I may hate it tomorrow.
But what chaps my hide are all these Eastern Orthodox stalkers lurking around Lutheran websites like icon-toting tapeworms. Cripes, don't you people have prayers to say or something? At least go drink a few ouzos or vodkas. At least if you're drunk, your superiority complex will be a little more bearable. Weedon, you need to "man up" and start tossing these hangers-on off the Witty Trail back into the Adriatic where they belong.
Next thing you know, I'm going to have to start smacking around guys with beards and black skirts on the bikes coming to my door with magazines.
Look, if you want to convert, just say so. If you want to come into full fellowship with Mother Church, I'm sure Billy Weedon will be happy to teach you.
You people spend more time around Lutherans than Lutherans do. I'm convinced that every Eastern Orthodoxian has a secret icon of Luther and a copy of the Augustana behind the icon of the Theotokos.
You pastors with freestanding altars better watch out. There might be a bunch of Orthodox castaways hiding behind there.
Over and out. I'm back to the Big Game.
PWA-HAH-HAH-HA!!!
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry the General actually made me laugh out loud. I have to give him credit, he's got the Lutheran comedy down. I may just have to add him to my list....
No, I don't think I have heard the hymn you are talking about yet, P.W., I will click on a link if you have one somewhere?
Try this link:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.cph.org:80/multimedia/music/singles/full/983921.mp3
Scuttlebutt,
ReplyDeleteI swam the Bosphorus,the outlet to the Black Sea. I have nothing to do with the Adriatic.
And I'm complimented by your insinuation that Orthodox do nothing but pray. Unfortunately, I've been lacking in that lately. I'll take that under advisement as I complete my little response to your slander.
Christopher P.,
ReplyDeleteThe General is notoriously irascible - part of his online persona. Don't worry - he gores everyone's ox, and never spares us Lutherans either. It's General Patten redivivus, I'm afraid, in Lutheran garb. Once you catch onto his form of humor, he's really a stitch.
General Patten? Did he serve with Admiral Challice? Good grief, Weedon--what sort of Virginian are you? :-)
ReplyDeleteIt's Patton. His grandfather, Col. G.S. Patton, died at the 3rd battle of Winchester, VA.
Proud to be the son of a Patton soldier,
Fr. Gregory Hogg
PS: The Adriatic is a beautiful sea. My wife and I took a ferry from Bari, Italy to Patras, Greece some years ago. The sunrise makes one appreciate the aptness of Homer's description: "Rosy-fingered dawn."
LOL, Fr. Gregory. Ecclesiastical typos! Fingers used to typing in certain patterns. ;)
ReplyDeleteMy dad was a Patton soldier also.
Beautifully done. I wish synod could make stuff half as classy.
ReplyDeleteI don't mind the music at the end. It's ok. I wouldn't be upset it it was changed to a "rousing chorale," though either.
The ONLY issue I see with the video is the fact that ALMOST NO ONE in the general public (and esp. those in mainline evangelical protestantism) understands the difference between Catholic (ie Roman) and catholic (ie universal)
That MUST be explained better in the video if it's to adequately reach those seeking a more sacremental, liturgical, gospel-rich faith.
I'd also love to see this in a shorter TV-length version of about 1 minute.
Actually, I thought they were showcasing that praise band shown earlier in the video! ;-) Yep, it is just a bit incongruous to ask the viewer if he/she is looking for something better than that (praise bands and Power Point), and then close the video with just that kind of music. If they can reproduce the video with a more appropriate piece, they just may have something going for them.
ReplyDeleteI posted a link to this video on my blog, and now it's been pulled. This is very frustrating. This happens a lot on YouTube. I hope the author is improving it and will re-post it. I hope he is not monkeying with it to make less "Catholic".
ReplyDeleteI disagree with making a distinction between "Catholic" and "catholic." We seem to have an inferiority complex on this. If we capitalize things like Holy Baptism and Holy Church - we should capitalize Catholic as well. It's bad enough that we have virtually surrendered the word all together thanks to our stubborn adherence to German (which translated the word badly as "Christliche" in the 15th century). I think we should be unapologetic in refusing to surrender our Catholicism to Rome or anyone else.
Note that the Triglot translation of the Confessions (CPH 1921) shamelessly uses the word "Catholic" without the artificial lower case "c".
The original Greek of the creeds had no lower vs. upper case distinction. Furthermore, the Roman Church now also spells "catholic" with the small "c" in its official English translation of the creeds.
Eric updated it:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QDPPj1jsFQ&eurl=http://wittenbergtrail.ning.com/video/video/show?id=1453099:Video:33147