...The Our Father and the Words of our Lord. Pardon the bellowing during the Our Father's doxology. Sometimes I get carried away...and forget that I've got a mic on! Also, Youtube continues to not get the audio and video tracks correctly. The chime is heard at the elevation, not before it.
Question:
ReplyDeleteWhy does the pastor alone speak/chant the Our Father aloud?
Jeff
Short answer: It's what we've received.
ReplyDeleteLonger answer: Our liturgy (in LSB) permits either the traditional practice (pastor alone) or the more modern (pastor with people).
In the historic Western rite, the pastor speaks ALL of the prayers in the Divine Service, with the Our Father not excepted. The particular custom of the pastor alone praying the Our Father is witnessed as early as Pope St. Gregory the Great in his letter to John, Bishop of Syracuse (Book IX, Letter 12).
As I learned it, it was almost so:
ReplyDeleteThe priest says or chants all of the Our Father up to the last phrase, which the server (altar boy) speaks for the people sed libera nos a malo (but deliver us from evil), the priest concluding with Amen.
There being of course no For thine etc. (as there isn't in the LC either).
If I remember correctly, in the early days of the Revolution, before the reform reformed itself to the extent that it needed a reform of the reform to reform itself back to not so reformed, at first the altar boys' verse was done by the people, simply expanding it to where the altar boy no longer spoke for the people but they spoke it themselves but not the whole prayer, just the part formerly spoken for them by the altar boy.
I learned the chant of the Lord's Prayer differently. I don't have my hymnals with me, so I don't know if it's that way in LSB, but in the Litany in LW, there's a sung version of the Lord's Prayer, and that's how my pastor did it when I was a kid, and that's how I learned it.
ReplyDeleteI am uncomfortable with this, Pastor.
ReplyDeleteWe have closed communion; should we really open it to public mockery on YouTube?
Pr. David Petersen "advertised" a few things that might better have been kept on a congregational web site,
I thought.
Sorry,
Helen
Dear Helen,
ReplyDeleteOh, dear. The hope wasn't to exhibit it for public mockery, but for the edification of those who love the Lord's Prayer and His holy Words and who might like to hear how the consecration takes place in one of our Lutheran Divine Services. We've put up whole services before which include this section.
Dear Alan,
This is the chant appointed in DS 3. The one you are thinking of also occurs in LSB in the litany and also in the liturgical section in the back of the hymnal. It's a lovely tone as well.
Will--
ReplyDeleteThe music for the Lord's Prayer in the litany is what my pastor used for the Lord's Prayer in the TLH p.15 service before LW came out. For some reason that has stuck in my head for the past 30 years and more.
A curious thing about LSB is that the music for the Litany is not included in the pew edition, with the exception of the Lord's Prayer, which is found in the back. The rubric states, "A musical setting of the Litany is available in the Altar Book."
ReplyDeleteEven in churches with a strong musical heritage, the congregation might not have the music of the Litany memorized, and you might want the choir to help lead it from the balcony.
Perhaps the music is in the electronic edition? If so, does one also need the rights to reprint it?
Hi Pr. Weedon,
ReplyDeleteWhat is the significance of the chime?
Dawn
The chime or bell is to draw attention to the elevation: it's a musical way of saying "Look there! That's the Body given for YOU!" and "Look! That's the Blood that was shed for YOUR forgiveness." I like to think of it as our Lord's "dinner bell." :)
ReplyDeleteThis is just the right sample to practice with in chanting The Our Father from DS III. Thank you for providing it.
ReplyDeleteThis is a fine sample to practice with, especially since my acquaintance with chanting The Our Father from LSB DS III was null until today. Thank you for this provision.
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