I'm convinced that using the terms "traditional" and "contemporary" are possibly the least helpful thing in the discussion on worship. In fact, IMO, the usage of such terms cedes the argument to logical fallacy.
Furthermore, I wonder if the poster's concerns were shared with the pastor. Maybe this is just my kneejerk reaction to what I perceive as a toxic unchurchmanly trend that is infecting our discourse and ultimately preventing bad ideas to be challenged through churchly discourse.
The poster says he has contacted the District President of this congregation several times.
I suppose one could say the poster should've contacted the pastor of the church & perhaps he did but it's not said in the article. However, it seems clear that this is fairly common practice & teaching at this church and not an aberration.
But I think the point of the article, & why the poster specifically _did not_ name the church or pastor was to show what is going on in churches in our synod so that people can know what is going on and thus maybe a discourse can begin.
From my experience with a Lutheran pastor who prefers Reformed and Pentecostal liturgy and preaching, he was not interested in anyone else's input about the way he wanted to do things if it was not in agreement with his. His attitude was if you don't like it, leave.
Discussion may not be helpful in this matter. We probably just need to go our separate ways with each group joining a synod with other congregations who share their same confession.
Maybe one group could call themselves Pentecostal Lutherans and the other orthodox or catholic Lutherans.
One thing I know. Although I was away from the LCMS for over a decade and just returned in February, when I was looking for an LCMS parish three forms of worship were never on my radar: what was experienced at Steadfast Lutheran, pietism in any form or what Pastor Weedon describes.
I'm grateful to the LCMS congregations that have kept the fires of the historic liturgy stoked so that I had it to come back to.
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I'm convinced that using the terms "traditional" and "contemporary" are possibly the least helpful thing in the discussion on worship. In fact, IMO, the usage of such terms cedes the argument to logical fallacy.
Furthermore, I wonder if the poster's concerns were shared with the pastor. Maybe this is just my kneejerk reaction to what I perceive as a toxic unchurchmanly trend that is infecting our discourse and ultimately preventing bad ideas to be challenged through churchly discourse.
I prefer to use the more accurate terms:
Lutheran liturgy or Pentecostal liturgy or some bastardized offspring of the two that attempts to say both "yes and no" at the same time...
:)
The poster says he has contacted the District President of this congregation several times.
I suppose one could say the poster should've contacted the pastor of the church & perhaps he did but it's not said in the article. However, it seems clear that this is fairly common practice & teaching at this church and not an aberration.
But I think the point of the article, & why the poster specifically _did not_ name the church or pastor was to show what is going on in churches in our synod so that people can know what is going on and thus maybe a discourse can begin.
From my experience with a Lutheran pastor who prefers Reformed and Pentecostal liturgy and preaching, he was not interested in anyone else's input about the way he wanted to do things if it was not in agreement with his. His attitude was if you don't like it, leave.
Discussion may not be helpful in this matter. We probably just need to go our separate ways with each group joining a synod with other congregations who share their same confession.
Maybe one group could call themselves Pentecostal Lutherans and the other orthodox or catholic Lutherans.
http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch20800?frame=N
Orthodox Lutheran Fellowship (OLA)
One thing I know. Although I was away from the LCMS for over a decade and just returned in February, when I was looking for an LCMS parish three forms of worship were never on my radar: what was experienced at Steadfast Lutheran, pietism in any form or what Pastor Weedon describes.
I'm grateful to the LCMS congregations that have kept the fires of the historic liturgy stoked so that I had it to come back to.
Christine
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